In this episode we're joined by Mr. Beat, a renowned teacher and educator who now runs the youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/@iammrbeat
We discuss the best methods to teach someone anything, the state of youtube for content creators, Mr. Beat's recent interest in the economist Henry George and more.
This episode was cohosted by Lars Doucet.
https://youtu.be/mS_CyMuRcao
Transcript:
William Jarvis 0:05
Hey folks, welcome to narratives. narratives is a podcast exploring the ways in which the world is better than in the past, the ways it is worse in the past, where it's a better, more definite vision of the future. I'm your host, William Jarvis. And I want to thank you for taking the time out of your day to listen to this episode. I hope you enjoy it. You can find show notes, transcripts and videos at narratives podcast.com. Additionally, in this episode, my friend Lars to say joins us as a co host. Well, Matt, how are you doing this afternoon?
Matt Beat 0:43
I'm doing well. Yeah. Excellent. Thanks for having me on.
Will Jarvis 0:47
Absolutely. Thank you so much for taking the time to come on the show. Do you mind giving us a brief bio and some of the big ideas you're interested in?
Matt Beat 0:55
Yeah, I taught in the in the classroom, grades seven through 12, for 12 years as a social studies teacher, so variety of topics from government to American history, world history, economics. And so you know, I just love to teach and make, try to get people to be curious. Because once people start becoming curious, I feel like that's when we kind of have problems. And also that my broader goal, the idea that I'm most interested in, you know, it's kind of my mission, I guess, for lack of a better way to put it is to increase empathy and the world. So whatever I can do to do that. And often I find myself just like, thinking of ways where I can trick people into learning social studies, that's like, and you know, when I say increase empathy, I mean, like, I'm Team human, like, I No offense to any other species of animals. But whatever we can do to keep humans around on this planet. That's what I'm pushing for. So that's, I mean, that's what social studies is all about, like, how we all get along, so we can survive as a species. So, but you're not ready talking too much.
Will Jarvis 2:14
We want to talk a lot today. Matt, you said something really interesting there. And that's you want to increase empathy? How do you how do you think about going about doing that? Is it like telling people stories about the past about different people to kind of, you know, give them some kind of help them form a theory of mind about what other people are going through? Is it something else?
Matt Beat 2:35
Yeah, that's definitely a big part of it. But the story is, can't just be of, you know, the familiar they have to be what's not familiar. So like, I mean, I think if I think back on my own childhood, and I had a pretty sheltered existence, like, I wasn't able to travel much other than like, kind of like maybe if a couple states over stuff like that, I, I grew up in a small town with wasn't very ethnically or religiously diverse. We'll put it that way. And so once I kind of, I graduated, and I went to college, and I moved to other places, and I was like, Oh, wow, there's a whole new world that I was missing out on. And it made me a better person, like the more different types of people I met, and it made me become more open minded. And just, yeah, like less, my ego started to shrink. It's still a problem, but with the ego. But yeah, so that's my goal. It's like you expose people to as many different cultures ideas as possible. And hopefully they will, they'll learn to accept that there's other ideas, that doesn't mean, any of them are the best. It's just like, you know, there's different ways of going about things.
Will Jarvis 3:58
Absolutely. Well, when you when you are going about trying to teach someone something, you know, how do you you, you give them that information, so that it sticks. You know, we talked about empathy, you know, imparting the stories, but how do you actually create a story or like transfer information in a way that a year down the line, people still kind of remember it?
Matt Beat 4:18
Well, that's why I've always been drawn to video. That's how I've always learned best, but it's multimodal, which means like, it's not just visual, it's auditory. And, you know, knowing when to put text on the screen, or the fact that our attention spans are so short. So knowing every 30 seconds or a minute, you've got to do something that's not related to whatever you're trying to teach that's just entertaining or engaging in some way. I learned these tricks in the classroom more than anything. And before that, before I taught actually, I I'm in a band called Electric needle room and I learned like when you're on stage playing gigs, Do you there are certain things you got to do to keep their attention? And so yeah, it's really mostly about manipulation, all of it. It's just tricking people into still like, Okay, you're still listening to me like, yeah.
Lars Doucet 5:13
So how does that how does that play out in like a classroom setting like, like physically when you when you don't like, it's easy to, you know, make a slick cut and well, easy, you know, quote unquote, not actually easy but like, I mean, if you have enough time ahead of time, you can cut together a slickly produced video, but how do you do it live without props or anything like that just a bunch of rowdy and patient kids.
Matt Beat 5:34
I think it starts with building that relationship. So I always made sure that I spent at least the first two weeks of every semester, not really trying to teach them much content, just getting to know them, and having them get to know me, and I'm just having them understand that I cared about them as human beings. And I think once they realize I cared, and I respected them, then it was easier to teach them stuff that maybe they weren't so excited to learn about. So then after the two weeks, you know, it's, I think the main thing I call call the chunking. But I never did something, I rarely did something more than 15 minutes at a time. Also, you know, if I'll admit it, I played some of my own videos in the classroom, but so if I play one of my own videos, like it's a 10 minute video, then the next 15 minutes, we're gonna have a discussion or we're gonna have like a, some kind of back and forth, that's that I lead. And then the next 15 minutes is going to be student centered, where they are exploring something on their own, and you just kind of, and you're never doing the same thing on the st. And one day either. Like, I feel like a lot of teachers, they kind of get, I mean, I don't blame them for this, because it's a tough, it's one of the toughest professions out there. But you know, you kind of get into a groove where you're, you got a formula, basically, like a lot of especially math, no disrespect to math teachers, but you know, a lot of times it's like, okay, the lesson 1520 minutes, okay, then now you're gonna practice these problems, the next 45 minutes. And that's class. And the next class, we'll go over the homework, maybe the first 510 minutes, and I'll give the next lesson. And you'll do the problem is the same thing over and over and over. And that's what I hate that crap. So
Lars Doucet 7:31
it's actually kind of interesting. So to kind of draw a personal connection. I am a video game developer. And I actually started my career in educational game design, and you want to talk about a curse field. educational game design, but one thing I was, I think is kind of interesting to share with you is that it wasn't curse for the reasons you think, like, everyone knows, like, most educational games suck, but like, as someone who's like, been there, and it's proud to say, I made one that like, I think is actually kind of fun. As it was ages ago. It was like my master's thesis. What was most surprising to me was, it was difficult for all the reasons I didn't expect. And it was because of essentially, like institutional barriers. You know what I mean? Like, if I wanted to make an educational game, the people who had essentially let me do that, like, inserted themselves into this process that made the whole thing like kind of fall apart and be like, sort of toxic. And so I think, coming, you know, transitioning back to, like, kind of you here is like, you're in school, you're everyone loves to crap on teachers and on the public school system. Like everyone has some complaint about education, and it's so easy to do when you're not a part of it, you know, as someone who's a part of it, and is proud to be a part of it, and is makes it work, you know, what can you say about the various institutions, so they're not all monoliths, right? Like I was dealing with, like Grant committees and universities and that kind of garbage, which is only tenuously connected to what your your contact with it. But like, can you talk about the institutional side of education and and how you make it work for you or not, you know, just like, what were your contact with? It has been?
Matt Beat 9:10
Yeah, it it is frustrating, like, I think a bit, I think, when I was trying to build lessons, and I was trying to, like incorporate standards. A lot of times, there's a disconnect there. What school boards wants, and then you know, and not just, I mean, yeah, you think about what school boards just if you want to pick on them. The vast majority of school boards are made up of just not even parents even sometimes like, but most of them are not educators. And so and then you have government officials who have never been in the classroom as well. But everybody thinks they're an expert, as you kind of hinted at there because oh, I went to school. I went to public school, so I know what's going on. But I think the main thing that a lot of people don't realize is teachers do still manage to have a lot of freedom. And I think that's why it's really appealing as a profession because you are allowed to be creative. And I've always been somebody who's like, I just let me try to build something on my own. Or let me just have a little freedom to see what works and what doesn't. And a lot of those lessons I made did not work. But I think that's where the disconnect is because there are so many variables like even at the same school, like even class to class, I'd have one class come in, some lesson would totally work. And then the next class that came in, it would be it would flop. And so you just have to always be calling audibles and adjusting. And whenever you talk about a monolithic system or institution, they can't handle that they have no clue. It's so you do have to just trust your teachers who are trained professional professionals, kind of like you trust coaches, like I've been watching TED lasso a lot lately. So I don't know if you guys have seen that. But man, what a inspirational show. But that's really what it's all about in terms of like, there's a certain point where you just have to let them see what works best based on all the different unique circumstances they find themselves in.
Lars Doucet 11:20
Cool. So one thing I wanted to segue into, you know, with your background as a teacher, and your interest in like, these old subjects, and try and find ways to, like, make kids interested and excited about them. I wanted to draw this into one of the big things that drew us on the drew you under the pod for us was he recently made this big video about Georgia. So now we'll and I are, you know what we'll just out ourselves. For anyone who hasn't been paying attention. We're pretty big Georgia lists. We're very interested in the topic, we've done a lot of research ourselves on it. Were very curious about, you know, how did you first get interested in this topic? How did you first encounter it? And what drove you to make this video? And how do you feel about what kind of impact it's had?
Matt Beat 12:02
My viewers got me into it. I had no idea what it was. I'm embarrassed to say that I'm not until like three years ago, i Because, you know, I have a frickin master's degree. I it's not an economics, but still, you think I would have came across Henry George all these years? And I? Maybe I did, I just wasn't paying attention. But yeah, I just I was like, what's up with all these, like, especially teenagers, and 20 somethings that are passionately into this guy and his ideas. And so I finally just like gave him a like, final I'll make a video and, and it forced me to buy progress in poverty and read it for myself. And yeah, it holds up pretty well. It's pretty accessible. It's, I was surprised, because you know, usually you think of 1800s books not. They're usually horrifying.
Lars Doucet 12:51
Yeah, if you just have a mucus list diet, then you will will not suffer from consumption.
Matt Beat 12:58
Yeah, I? I don't know, though. It's amazing. I guess like, the more I learned about it, the more I realized, like, or the more I guess, I'm confused why more people don't like the ideas. I mean, I I hinted at this in my own video. I mean, I I know, there's kind of more obvious reasons why powerful people would not want it to succeed, and you give it a go, but powerful people, that's a minority, you know, like the majority of people I think, would actually find his ideas appealing. And so it's quite fascinating to me how, you know, you had someone who was once mainstream, who essentially now is like, so obscure that it but you know, it's changing made, thanks to folks like you,
Lars Doucet 13:44
I guess. Right? Well, it's interesting, if you want to, we can try to get a little classroom discussion here, because I'd be very interested in your thoughts on my kind of take the answer to that question of like, well, what happens, you know, and yeah, what
Matt Beat 13:54
is your take? Yeah,
Lars Doucet 13:55
my take is a couple of things happened. I think it's important to have that perspective of history. And if we zoom back to 1879, and the late 1890s, right, around the time he died, and the turn of the century, the 20th century hadn't played out yet. Right. And a couple of two really important the 20th century was dominated between the struggle of capitalism and communism, right. That was the big conflict and that conflict didn't really even begin to like, resolve and have a final word until you know, the late 80s and then it just seemed like okay, well now we have the answer right. Like Reagan style naturist capitalism has one that's the answer ridden and of history moving on, and then oh, seems there's some some some problems that are cropping up so ideologically. My first answer is that I think those two struggles like first was World War One and World War Two just like, captured everyone's attention. And then after like democracy versus fascism was temporarily resolved. Then it became capitalist som which aligned itself conveniently with democracy and totalitarianism, which which conveniently aligned itself with communism, you know, there was that struggle. And then after that happened, you know, the other thing lying on behind it was that Georgia's argument has a lot to do with this whole notion of like the margin of productivity, which is basically like, how far out you have to go before you have to pay anyone rent, so to speak, and the automobile was invented and popularized. And that allowed us to expand the margin of productivity very vastly. And so I think my two answers would be, and if you got some pushback, I'd love to hear it is the ideological struggle between capitalism and communism sucked up all the oxygen. And secondly, the automobile allowed us to kick the can down the road for a good century. And of course, there were plenty of cost to that, you know, with the environmental cost alone and all these other issues. And I think now we've kind of, we fought the big ideological wars. Now people are like, Well, are there any other ideas anybody has? And then also, we have, you know, like, we can't sprawl out any further without going insane. And so now we're starting to kind of like, like, like, we've we found that can we kicked? And that's that's kind of my thought, do you reply to that?
Matt Beat 16:16
I think that I think I mostly agree with that. I mean, the most common comment on my George's video that I noticed so far, that's kind of, because I really want to know what I want to hear from the critics and there. I think a lot of people are not critics because they're just ignorant. They just don't know anything about it. But I, I did get some people were like, Well, what about farmers? Like, you know, they, that's what this literally the land is all they have? And that's how they make a living. So how do we make sure that they are taken care of so what's your Yeah, what's your guys's response to that?
Lars Doucet 16:52
So we write that for this group blog called progress and the poverty and poverty substack. And so we're working on an ag article right now, I'm not the author. I'm not one of the co authors. But I've been kind of keeping in touch with them. There's a couple of answers. The first one is that agricultural land is not super valuable today, like land value tax is mostly going to target urban land rather than farmland. You know, it's like hyperbolically, like, you visualize it in 3d, and there's this giant, like, to the moon, you know, asymptote in the city center. And then as you go out to the farmland, it's like down there. So first of all, land, it's not land area tax, we're not going to tax you by the acre, we're gonna tax you by the dollar. And it's, it's the, it's the urban land that's really valuable that we really care about. And then second one is, you want to get into ag policy. It's really it's kind of a nuanced, like, technical argument. But a lot of stuff when it comes to AG is a lot of people say that it's like, okay, well, we need giant agribusiness because no one else can feed the world's population. And giant aggregation businesses more efficient, but the quote, whenever someone says efficient, and you say efficient, what, right, you know, like the whole global supply chain has been optimized for efficiency, but not for like resiliency, we saw that with COVID. And the supply shocks we have now is it's like, you're super efficient. But one thing goes wrong, and you're screwed. And so maybe a global economy needs to be built more like a spacecraft rather than, you know, an Evil Knievel rocket. And so with agriculture, and especially the thing they're efficient I make being efficient for is labor, they're trying to get the least amount of labor per unit of food produced, like make food as cheaply as possible, ignoring externalities, and paying people as little as possible per unit of food. But they're not economizing on land. They're very wasteful of land, right. And so they have all this automation and all these inputs of chemical fertilizers. And they'll even like erode the value of the land over time with runoff and all these other problems, water very inefficient uses of water, which which George would consider land in, we can get into that sense, the different kinds of land, renewable versus non renewable resources and blah, blah. But that's kind of the argument is that it's like, yeah, giant agribusiness is efficient in terms of not paying people. But it's very inefficient in terms of resource use and land use and negative externalities and pollution, like you can make more food per acre with lower scale permaculture than you can in the current situation. And the argument is that land value tax would reform, even agriculture more towards that, but I mean, we haven't even gotten into farm subsidies and Iowa and corn and all of that which are very distortionary.
Matt Beat 19:38
Yeah. You know, that's something I'm strongly against, actually. And that's maybe it's more controversial, but, you know, I do think it's, when we talk about government's picking winners like and losers, essentially, that's like, how is that capitalism? Right? Like, I never understood that like, we don't have capitalism as Ricardo and Smith envisions like. It's like it wasn't ever meant to be. Oh, Elon Musk is able to start this company because he has like a small loan of whatever it was $50 million to get started from subsidies like he's literally. I mean, he's a crony capitalist one on one whenever he says, Oh, I built this. No, you did it. It's taxpayer money that built that, but Right, yeah, I so that yeah, everything that we you said, it just makes it even more appealing to me. And I'm glad that you guys are passionately. Yeah, fighting for it. Because it seems although JJ makalah though, doesn't see he thinks it's dopey. I was messaging him better. I convinced him You gotta get him to make a video on it. Now.
Lars Doucet 20:48
I sent him an email and I sent him an email. Yeah, I'll tell you what I told him. Let me pull it up here. I'm not going to, like finish on anything. He told me. But I'll tell you what I said to him. He received it politely. You know, he seemed interested in not sure if he was just being nice to me. But he said, you know, hey, JJ, my name is Marcie. Say I'm a longtime fan of your show. You know, I loved your video on social credit movement. His argument was basically that like Canada, the biggest landowners are provincial and federal governments. Canada's very barren, very empty, like government already owns, like, just vast tracts of land. So they should be able to do all this kind of policy, like, what would they even do with it? That's a very good point he brings up and I pointed out that, like, the American West is basically the same situation like the government owns, I think, like, 84.5% of the land in Nevada. Right? You know, and like, what's it going to do with it? It's like, anyone wants some desert? You know, nobody lives.
Matt Beat 21:41
Nobody lives there anyways, so I don't see the problem, right? It's like, there's still plenty of other land like that. 15% A lot of people there.
Lars Doucet 21:49
Right. And so that's my response is it's like, it's like, yeah, so the thing is, it's kind of I don't want to put words in his mouth. But I think was this kind of like notion of like land area versus land value? It's a land value tax, right? We're going to tax like the land value tax is going to the vacant land in Las Vegas. And who cares about the land and garage Nevada, like actually pointed out?
Matt Beat 22:09
In my already been counted, right? It's not even counted. Like, it's, you got to think of it as something separate, right?
Lars Doucet 22:15
You can you can even like, I mean, it falls off the asymptote so fast that you could almost forget about it. Right, you know, so when in and another thing I pointed out to him is that Canada actually has a history of land value tax in Vancouver, Vancouver used to have Georgia's land value tax policy, and they like funded themselves entirely off of it. For years and years. Christopher England, he wrote this whole amazing history of Georgia, some it was his master's, master's thesis or PhD, I can't remember. But it's this great article. And he's got this whole treatment on Vancouver's history, and sadly got repealed in a tax revolt, we can talk about why they did that, and how we can avoid it in the future. But Vancouver now has this horrible housing crisis as as a consequence of getting rid of their successful anti EU tax policy. And so you know, that's what I what I said to JJ was. The other thing I pointed out to him as it's like, Now, the other issue, JJ is like, You've often done videos about natural resource policy in Canada, you know, talking about the Canadian conservatives and like, I forget which regions like really big into oil and whatever. I pointed out that land is not just it's not great rhetorically, that George said this, but he treats natural resources as land. And that's kind of confusing. But you can do Georgia's policies with natural resources, even if there's no land value tax in sight. Yeah, country that does this. And it's Norway. I'm a Norwegian citizen. And Norway, their hydropower system was set up by Georgia. So 100 years ago on explicitly Georgia's terms of the people on the water. So we should make sure that any monopoly resource rents that come from it. So
Matt Beat 23:49
that's why all the oil money goes to the fund the public fun, and they
Lars Doucet 23:53
do that, too. And Alaska does something similar, you know, but so 70, or oil doesn't, yeah, yeah. What's really cool about Norway's petroleum system that came 50 years later, and so they had this model with hydropower from like the early 20th century to follow. It was explicitly set up by georgeous. It was an Iraqi immigrant who set up Norway's petroleum management system. And he came in, because he was scared of the resource curse, if you're familiar with that, as a social studies teacher, which for the sake of the audience, is you have these resource rich countries, and they just turn into these terrible like hell holes, honestly, because it means that the government has a way to get cheap money without investing in people. So they don't have to create a diversified educated populace. They can just like sell oil and run guns or whatever. And, and so what this Iraqi immigrant says, like, I've seen what happened to Iraq. This was like back in the 70s or 60s, I think. I've seen the resource curse there. And I want to save Norway from it because they just discovered a crap ton of oil. And so he's like, here's what you do you charge a severance tax on the extraction of the oil, but you heavily subsidize its exports. isn't because people are like, Oh, if you tax severance taxes of oil, windfall profits, no, no drill for oil. Well, Norway contradicts that they've been doing it for 50 years, they're super advanced, what they do is it's like, Hey, you want to find some oil will subsidize, you will help you with your r&d. But the passive extraction, that's the people's resource, you got to pay rent to the people on sitting on that oil lease. And that makes it so what you want to discourage is it's like, here's all these government oil leases, I'm gonna sit on it and wait for the price to go up a to exclude my competitor from getting it and be Wait, wait for a day where there's a better price, right? Oil is not going anywhere. And so noise found this great way to do this public private partnership that avoids the failures of the American system, which is very privatized, and the Venezuelan system, which is just total total capitalist socialism, where you lose the private industry expertise. And that's my stump speech. You don't have to buy it, you know, you can go go see if it stands up. But that's what I sent to JJ. And so I said, even if you don't like to slander your
Matt Beat 25:54
idea, hopefully it wasn't too long. He probably just like, locked it out. Like, yeah, I'm
Lars Doucet 25:58
gonna do strong, we'll see. But he replied, He said, thanks, I found interesting. So we'll, we'll see. So there's natural resources, and then there's land value tax, you can do either you can do both. But the advantage of the natural resources is there's more examples of those than maybe even the LBT
Matt Beat 26:15
Yeah, I love I love what Norway is doing. That's when I did my Norway video a few weeks ago, that was something I mean, it's just like, it's one of the few countries that got it right. And it's amazing that other countries are just not all trying to copycat it. And you know, and now look, I mean, look at Norway, 100%, non renewable, essentially, they're all going to be driving EVs like literally all of them within 10 years. Yeah, I mean, it's there. They got their own thing, like, and the rest of us were not even attempting to play catch up. It's, it's amazing. What's interesting
Lars Doucet 26:53
to me is when I when I talk about Norway, maybe you get some of this too, because you're bigger than me, and you've got like a big YouTube channel. But I'm talking about Norway, everyone comes out with the excuses of why there's nothing to learn from them. There are
Matt Beat 27:03
a small country. Yeah, that's what everyone goes.
Lars Doucet 27:06
The first my reply to that is like Norway, if it was an American state would be like, 24th by population. So, you know, also,
Matt Beat 27:15
it's like, anytime I hear that, like, you can scale up literally anything. And what do you think corporations do? What corporations are very efficient. That's literally like a economies of scale. Hello. Like, it's, it can be efficient at scale. That's so whenever I hear that it's just ignorance. I get so tired of that.
Lars Doucet 27:35
I think what people are getting into when they say that is they're responding. And I think, honestly, to American national political gridlock, so it's like you want like, because the scale thing is important, you know, because Norway, for instance, is not a member of the EU. Um, that's kind of a technicality, because they're still like, subject to a lot of the same trade treaties that effectively puts them kind of in the EU. But it's like, it's a small sovereign nation. I mean, they got a straight up King. I mean, not that much power. I mean, but like, like, they're a small little country that like, does what they want. And like, I'm sure I'm like two or three degrees away from the Prime Minister at best, without even like looking just because like, I'm sure my mom knows a guy who knows him or her. I can't remember like, it was a her last time. I haven't checked up after the election of who's currently in power, but like, but like American politics, like how many degrees away? Am I from a Joe Biden? Probably a lot, right. And then like that dysfunction is so huge. I think that's what people are responding to. I think we've like lost the notion that we can do bottom up politics in America, like do I get
Matt Beat 28:35
also the argument that federalism in the United States is unique in terms of you got 50 states that all have different policies, and you can't, it is hard because like you look at FEMA, for example. One reason why FEMA is a so ineffective as a federal organization is because they got 50 Different states doing 50 different things, and they're trying to figure out, Oh, what do I need to adjust for this state versus this state? Like, like, you look at Texas response to hurricanes versus Florida response, and it's way different. So I don't blame FEMA, or it's understandable to me why FEMA just sucks. Helping people out Ron.
Lars Doucet 29:16
Yeah. Well,
Will Jarvis 29:17
Matt, that, that brings up a really, really interesting point. Here are some of the things you've been talked about. You're a student of history. Do you think political polarization particularly in the US, is it cyclical? Or you know, is it just increasing on this? Like, is it gonna get worse and worse and worse? Does it like peak and then it come back down? Oh, what's your sense of that? Just just looking at the past? Can we learn anything from that?
Matt Beat 29:39
Of course, we can. We can learn a lot from the past that government sorry. Yeah, it is somewhat cyclical. I think the difference? I mean, I've had many people ask me this, like, do you? Do you think that we're more divided now than ever in the United States, and all of our history, and I say Yes, other than obviously, the 1850s and the Civil War, this is true, we are more polarized than any other point other than right before the Civil War. The unique situation now is social media. That's really all it is. We don't need to complicate it. It's we have insulated ourselves into little communities where everybody agrees with us. And it's when you sometimes venture out of those communities. That's only when you know how much like how tribalism has gotten out of control, because like you, if everybody just stayed in their little bubbles all the time, you wouldn't notice it. But occasionally, like on Twitter, like what happened today, when I tweeted something that was kind of cool, though about my audiences, I do get a quite a big net, politically speaking. So I love that. But yeah, you get tribes that interact sometimes. And they're not used to interacting, let's be honest, there. They're just not like, they don't even know how to interact, they've lost that ability. And a lot of it is yet because they don't interact in person, they don't even see each other in video, like at least Discord is helping with that these days, I noticed with discord, a lot of them hop on the video chats, at least audio so they can hear tone of voice, or they can see body language. Whereas if it's just back and forth on Twitter, oh God, like what a nightmare. And that drove politics the last 10 years like it, you'll notice it's got really bad beginning and the early 2010s. That's really when things. It's not a coincidence. It's not correlation. Correlation is causation, in my opinion, that so that's caused her so we got to get beyond social media.
Lars Doucet 31:47
So social media, so is it. Would that predict that it's not a uniquely American phenomenon? Because everyone's using social media? Right? Like is, I mean, would you say every country is suffering from this? Are we uniquely suffering it because of additional things America throws into the mix?
Matt Beat 32:02
I think I think most countries are suffering from this right now we hear the United States, we don't like to pay attention to other countries. But if you look at everywhere around the world, it's happening. Like, take India, for example. Like, it's some of the back and forth. And this is like, some of the nicest folks I've ever met through my channel are from India. But you see them going back and forth on politics. And it's like, wow, this is familiar. So I don't know, like everything I've noticed this is a worldwide phenomenon. And I think the only reason why we haven't seen more, I guess disruption in certain countries is probably because of the, you know, less freedom, more totalitarian. Maybe there's a monarchy that kind of, is that unifying force that we don't have in the United States? Like you know, maybe even in Norway, I don't know like maybe the the head of state when they're the monarch, but that's, I guess, an argument for the monarchy which I personally am against, but I understand when you have a head of state who is just born into that position, that can be a unifying thing for a country so maybe that's something
Lars Doucet 33:13
I'll go on record as being a an extremely limited monarchist of I'm prone Norwegian monarchy and anti almost all others. Just just as I'm I'm like, Schroedinger as monarchy like when I'm in America, I'm like a hardcore like, little our Republican in the sense of anti monarchist, reasonable. A lot of that's just the history of the Norwegian monarchy is that it's, I mean, they're not perfect, but they're like one of the most well behaved monarchs and monarchies they're so short lived to, they've only been around like, barely more than 100 years, their original, like when Prince Karl came over from Denmark to become like, he was elected by President plebiscite. Like the people chose to have a monarchy when, you know, in the early 1900s, when we finally got our, our independence. But what's interesting about the whole social media thing and polarization is, I mean, one thing I think, in America that makes things worse is like the role like, at least on the conservative side, which is more like I grew up in, I made a bunch of liberal friends, but I grew up in conservative Texas, right. And one thing I've learned is we're all like stuck in the suburbs, right? So not only are we with the social media, are we all talking to each other online? We're also like, not meeting anyone in person all that much. And I saw what like happened to like, teenagers and kids during the pandemic, when they're all locked up to. So do you think like, just the lack of face to face in our physical lives contributes to it uniquely in America or not?
Matt Beat 34:38
I would say maybe a little bit. I don't know that. I haven't thought about that. Maybe enough. So I don't know. What do you think will we feel like we're talking like relieving out of the conversation?
Will Jarvis 34:51
No, no, no, I think it's a it's a real challenge. I do wonder how much of our political polarization is driven by AI think social media played definitely plays a part. But also, I wonder if you know, lower economic growth. It's more, it's more systematic and something like that where the pie is not getting bigger as fast as it was pre 1971, there's less to kind of divvy up. And so then you get you kind of fight harder because it's more of a zero sum or something like that. I don't know. Do you have any thoughts on that? In Do you buy it to me the stagnation arguments about what happened since 1971? With cost disease and, and our inability to build new infrastructure?
Matt Beat 35:30
Yeah, man, you put it a really well, well, I've never put it that way. It's a good way to put it with a pie analogy. I like that. I always just say, Well, growing extreme wealth inequality, but a lot of people they kind of, especially more conservative economically, people were like, No, wealth inequality is good. We want wealth inequality, like, but yeah, so we wealth inequality is inevitable. You're right, the pie has not grown as big as it needed to be since the 70s. I was born in 1981. And pretty much my entire life wages have been stagnant. Only recently have they gone up? But guess what? Inflation doesn't even matter. Yay. So and then, as far as far as also, I know, I mentioned Ted last Oh, here's another reference. This time a movie. I was watching dazed and confused the other day, have you ever seen that? Dazed and Confused? Yeah, I watched it. It's been a long time. But I watched it again. I was like, and it's interesting. It was made in the 90s. But it's about what's going on in 1976. And wow, what a fascinating year, that was 1976, the year my dad graduated high school, that almost you can make an argument that that was peak America, like that, I looked up the inflation year rate that year, it was like 4%, or 4.5%, it was reasonable. It wasn't out of control. So that was one of the few non stagflation years. But also, that was back when people still, you know, there was more of a partnership between public and private. Where you had, I mean, sure, there was this distrust of government. But that was a good distrust, like, you know, distrust of corruption. Good. But there was still like, a safety net in place, there were still. I'm not saying I'm, I'm not a big fan of income taxes. You guys know that. But probably, but at least that the wealth inequality was at the lowest that had ever been. And you didn't see this desperation that you see today that has slowly been growing since the 70s. It's, it's bad. It I mean, I, I don't know, like, and it's frustrating to me, because like the 10% of the country of maybe the entire Western world that's doing really well. They tend to kind of they're the ones who are in media, like mainstream outlets. And so they, I feel like they're just so out of touch all the time of what's like, you know, so I think a lot of a lot of people need to be more, because a lot of the problem is the people that are really struggling, they're not visible, because they're always working, they're working three jobs, they don't have time to like, just go start a podcast, and everybody's gonna listen to it. So
Lars Doucet 38:18
that that kind of brings us back to what you're saying about empathy is that it's like, how can you make good policy? If you're not even aware that there's a problem? And then if you are aware that there's a problem that you've classified those people is not mattering?
Matt Beat 38:31
Yeah. No, I, and I've been very lucky in my life. But you know, now I make more money doing videos on YouTube than I did teaching, which is another really messed up part of our society, the fact that that even happens, but I feel like I have responsibility now. Especially because I like, I mean, I was the thing that I love the most about teaching was the relationships. And I think a lot of our relationships are hurt right now, because of these other things that are beyond our control, like, so we, I think we need to find ways where we can become more connected, not social media. Better Way, isn't that, and then maybe that the progress will follow after that? Not not an easy task. Yeah. Well,
Will Jarvis 39:23
that made you this this reminds me of a really interesting question, I think largely actually may have come up this originally, but you mentioned earlier you were talking about you know crony capitalism you know, we've been talking a lot in this podcast in one way or another about monopoly and the nature of monopoly whether that be land or or other things. But you know, when it comes to being a YouTuber, you know, how do you feel about platform monopolies? Do you think they have too much power? Do you think we should do something like that about that or you because you know, if you want to put a video on the internet, youtube is kind of the place to go there's not really another place. Now. They didn't build that by I don't think they did. Super anti competitive practices they might have? I don't know. But but it was kind of just just naturally formed. How should we think about YouTube as a plat and all these big social media platforms? Because they all they do have some negative effects, perhaps. And there's some things we've talked about in this podcast so far.
Matt Beat 40:15
Yeah, it's hard for me to hate on YouTube too much, because they are very fair to their creators, like they give a higher percentage of revenue compared to nearly every other outlet out there. But you're right, like they kind of control the market and Tik Tok kinda was kind of a threat to that. But then now we're finding out that with YouTube shorts that's taken off and that and so tell us about that. Yeah, YouTube shorts is like they just YouTube just announced. I don't know if you saw the news, but they had like, 1.5 billion views on YouTube shorts alone last month. And so
Lars Doucet 40:52
yeah, in your videos, like your YouTube shorts, get like, way more views and your other videos.
Matt Beat 40:57
That's why I'm making more and more of them. Now. I'm just like, Okay, I guess I better do this now. But I, it's still I mean, yeah, I do feel trapped sometimes. And I would like to maybe go in a different direction. But I know that YouTube algorithms will not like that so much. And I recommend my videos. So I'm kind of, you know, I'm the YouTube president's guy, mainly because of that, like, I feel like I have to, I'm obligated to make at least one president's video every month now. Because that's the those are the videos that do well, and that this is how I make a living now. And so yeah, it is problematic. And I get like, there's some censorship going on. Private companies can censor Yeah, I get it. However, you know, I, I am a firm believer in antitrust legislation and regulation, which we haven't seen as much as executive action on that recent decades, like, we always say here of like, oh, Teddy Roosevelt. And after that, like, all this trust busting that happened 100 years ago, but then, in recent years seems like a lot of that, that does not pan out. I mean, so maybe I would like to see more active? Well, it needs to happen in the judicial system. But yeah, we need to see more antitrust. Action going down.
Lars Doucet 42:20
Speaking of monopolies and stuff, I have an interesting theory, I'd like to see what you think of it. It has to do with, you know, the struggle of the 20th century was between capitalism and socialism, which very naively was put as, like, free enterprise and like decentralization versus like, like central planning, right, top down. Yeah. You know, but what's interesting is sometimes what's pitched as one is not what you actually receive, you know, if you have one company that just dominates an industry, and that's like the whole industry, at some point, you've got central planning, and all the inefficiencies that comes with it, because it's like, well, the customers will just take whatever I tell them, I have no pressure from a competitor to get off my duff and like, fix this glaring problem that I don't have to worry about, because I've got a good gig running, and where else are you gonna go? And so like, my theory is basically that as something a creates more monopoly power, it starts to look a lot more like a central planner, and have the failure modes of the central planner, and I was wondering if you agree or disagree with that?
Matt Beat 43:25
Yeah, that makes sense to me. I do cringe at the false dichotomy of communism and socialism, supposedly, on one side and capitalism on the other. It's like, Yeah, but in reality, like, we know how it all turns out, it's it's nothing. I mean, that the way I taught economics is kind of what you were hinting at with, you know, you do have a spectrum. On one end, you have a command economy, which I think the closest thing we have to that today is North Korea, where it's top down completely. But as far as major economic decisions on the other end, you have totally free market economy. But Hello, nobody, no country has a market economy. That's absurd. Like, we're all mixed economies, like on a spectrum. And so you think about Yeah, what you were saying to they okay, maybe if you have a market a free economy, then you're gonna have this certain corporations just get so powerful that they it becomes inefficient. I get that. But at the same time, we always forget that a lot of these corporations get powerful through the help of government because they get subsidies because the they regulatory capture and because I mean, the government's just let these companies buy out the like, look what Facebook did and YouTube Google did with if they had a competitor, they bought their competitor and this trend continues to this day like Facebook just buying Instagram And we all just are okay with that apparently like, and even though like, our dissatisfaction with both Facebook and Instagram has only gone down ever since that, so I, we just put up with it. But the fact is that government along the way, they're always like they're helping out whoever already has power. And the reason why they help out whoever has power is because it helps keep them in power. It's really that simple.
Lars Doucet 45:26
Now we can we can get all depressed about this and just get sad. But as a as a teacher of history, you know, it's not like America has never been able to like unscrew itself, right. I mean, you said it's like people's like the most polarized we've ever been since the Civil War. I mean, that's kind of a big caveat. Like, we forget this country literally tore itself apart, and one of the bloodiest, like wars on this continent. And, you know, we we ended one of the most horrifying problems we had of slavery. I mean, its legacy continues in many awful ways. But like, we freed the slaves, we fought a war. And we were not two nations now. Like, we're one nation, we're, you know, so like, I wonder if you want to talk about some of your favorite times America has come back from the brink of problems doesn't have to be the Civil War, you can pick that one if you like, you know, are there any like your favorite problem? We walked back from whenever when it seemed all hope was lost? And how did we do it?
Matt Beat 46:19
Yeah, I would say there's probably four examples that popped in my head right off the bat. And that is the very beginning of the Republic, when we had we fought this war against an imperial power, and we could have easily just had a monarchy ourselves. But instead, we'd go with a republic, actually have a little bit of democracy and no king representatives who are just there for a little bit most of it. Yeah, like it was kind of crazy that the first of its kind. And so that was my first example like, especially with the Bill of Rights, like where it's like, it's strictly like in a middle finger to the government saying, No, these are our civil liberties don't touch them. So and then the second, I think, big moment was after the Civil War, reconstruction, early reconstruction with the Radical Republicans, when they were able to kind of when they still had a super majorities, they were able to get like major legislation, like the 14th Amendment, I think, is the most important part of the Constitution. In terms of Well, after, after the the Bill of Rights, I should say, like, obviously, the First Amendment's pretty big deal, but so the 14th Amendment get getting that passed, and 13th and 15th, as well, and, you know, sweeping civil rights legislation. And then jump ahead to, I would say, this is kind of a, a kind of a, an appeal to conservatism, actually, where after World War One, we actually saw a bit of somebody on the left, who was kind of running things more authoritarian, I would say, with the Woodrow Wilson administration, and with World War One like, because like all around the world, you saw, like, essentially, authoritarian governments rising, and then ultimately causing all I mean, the war itself was a big, big reason for that. And then, but after World War One, you saw like a reversal in many places, especially the United States, where it's like, we're gonna, we're gonna go back to where we were like, ain't no thing, you know, we're going to reuse the power of the presidency, we're going to Congress is going to not spend so much money and just chill out. And yeah, it kind of backfired and led to the Great Depression. But you know, and then the fourth moment is the 60s. You know, you had essentially a New Deal coalition, as they call it, where you had just much of the social safety net, the welfare programs that most Americans do approve of, that still exists today that were really were built during that decade. So I think that's another. So yeah, I think when it happens, it happens very quickly. Why? And I think we're gonna see it, we're overdue for it, actually, because we have been living since the 70s. And a conservative age we've, it's funny to me, like even Elon Musk tweets out like that, Oh, man. Like, I'm the center. And but everybody, we're just gone so far to the left with the woke agenda. I'm like, What are you even talking about? Like, maybe you're maybe talking about certain social things, I guess. But in terms of economics, we've gotten clearly to the right, like way, right. And so I think we're kind of overdue to kind of shift further to the left, at least with economic issues. That's that's the way I see.
Will Jarvis 49:43
Matt, I'm curious. You mentioned some some interesting things there. Is there is there a sense in which this this kind of libertarian critique of American government has become more true over time in the sense that we were able to do you know, get to the The Moon, like nine years, you know, we did Manhattan in like three or four years. With these huge infrastructure projects, we built the Pentagon and 16 months, like all these these really crazy, like state capacity, you know, ability, the American government was able to do a lot more things a lot more efficiently. Now we have trouble, you know, putting together websites and in any reasonable amount of time and just all these kinds of problems, it just seems to work much less well. What's your Is it your sense that American government does work? What less well? And if so, why do you think that is?
Matt Beat 50:32
That's a good question. I. Yeah. I mean, I think that's kind of why libertarianism has been more appealing in recent years, because we've seen like, the thing first example I think of is like the Obamacare website being launched, and it being a disaster. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I get it I, I'm very critical of government programs, because a lot of them are inefficient. But that doesn't mean that government can't get stuff done. And one thing that the government is good at is paying for stuff. And that's so that's another thing, like, that's why I'm a big fan also. And I don't want to go off on a tangent. But I like UBI. Like, I really think that would be something to really bring prosperity, because you're you're skipping over all the middlemen, like the bureaucracy, you're just going. And yeah, like with the Pentagon being built so quickly, with mentioned the Manhattan Project, and all these big things. When you think about big things, a lot of times it's not that many people that are really doing it. It's a small group. That's so and also like, again, this has been a theme of this episode, I think that public private partnership, like GPS technology, that was government that was literally like, our cell phones that we take for granted, like, Oh, we're it knows where we're going. That wouldn't exist. If it weren't for what government, the small group of people within the government did in the internet, right? Yeah, the internet, the entire internet. Yeah, they created the internet, like, it's an, I don't know, when we think people's like have this misconception of innovation. They just always assumed it's only the private sector that we have all these like inventors going right? Like no, like, a lot of times it takes investment, it's really it's a capital. And that capital, a lot of times comes from taxpayer money. Let's face it,
Lars Doucet 52:28
make sense? Tie in a previous thread back to a previous thread, you know, talking about like, can change happen. And then also, your YouTube channel I've seen and maybe you mentioned this, but I saw a couple of your YouTube shorts about rank choice voting and approval voiding. I'm not sure if you've seen it, but we did a podcast recently with.
Will Jarvis 52:46
We're in handling. Yeah, hearing him runs the Center for election science. He's been very successful with implementing approval voting. And
Matt Beat 52:54
I've worked with them before. They're a great organization.
Lars Doucet 52:56
Yeah, he's been just like getting it done, which has been really interesting to me. You know, we interviewed him about like, how do you do it? Like, how much does it cost per voter for you to like, succeed? And like, and he's just like, going through and just like reading it off. So what do you think of approval voting rank choice voting, tell us which one's your favorite? And if you think it can help depolarize America?
Matt Beat 53:16
Oh, absolutely can help depolarize. US that's that's the way forward. That's I'm a big fan of voting for reform. I think I had another viewer actually a Patreon supporter, that they turned me on to star voting, which is essentially a combination of approval voting and rank choice voting
Lars Doucet 53:35
just for the audience that single transferable automatic runoff. That's right. Gotcha. Yeah. So
Matt Beat 53:41
I mean, the bottom line is I like all those are good. Like I my favorite is star voting. But second favorite is Frank choice. Third favorite is approval. All three are amazing. Score voting gets a little tricky, but I still think that's it's still solid to like, I get why people say approval voting is a little bit like they could lead to certain like, shenanigans, okay, but look at the shenanigans we have now. It's like, yeah, and it all of them would make us less polarized. That's all of them. And
Lars Doucet 54:12
thing you just said, I want to jump off of that. It's like, look at the shenanigans we have. Now. Often, when talking about policy, I often feel like someone always compares it to like, the most perfect thing ever, you know, when when what it should be compared to is what we've gotten now. You know, and so like when I'm talking about like land value tax policy, like I think like a lot of people forget that we already have property taxes, and we could reform those property tax systems. One little step towards land value tax by just exempting all the buildings and collecting the same amount of value without having to change any laws. And I was wondering what your thoughts on like one step better than the status quo as as the goal rather than compared to some perfect utopia, and that's why we can't change anything ever.
Matt Beat 54:56
Yeah, I'm totally that's my my philosophy you got to be I think, I believe in gradualism and in pragmatism and coalitions and compromise. That's it. It's not flashy, but and then sometimes it is going to be dramatic like I was hinting at earlier. I think it's going to, we're going to see a lot of reforms happen all at once. But the bottom line is, we've got a conditional society. So that's why I'm the Center for election science. Yeah, they're they do great work, because they're doing the right thing. They're going to all these local localities and reforming and that's really like, what we all should be doing. We should be going to city council meetings, and we shouldn't be going to school board meetings, that not yelling at them, but just listening and, and being more active.
Lars Doucet 55:44
I have I have been given a lot of hope lately by the yimby movement, which stands for yes, in my backyard. And these are mostly people who are you familiar with that movement? much
Matt Beat 55:52
at all? No. Oh, intrigue.
Lars Doucet 55:54
You aren't your your, it's your lucky day.
Matt Beat 55:56
So hey, MB.
Lars Doucet 55:58
So yeah, gimpy is the opposite. So it's it's, it comes out of the market urbanism kind of movement. And so basically, like you said, those local school board meetings well, especially in California, and certain other cities that have like really acute housing crises, like every new development has to go through like a request for public comment for like, a zoning variance, like approval, and the NIMBYs all show up and tend to like shout them down. And so there's been this burgeoning grassroots movement of young bees, who are the opposite who go and like push for? No, we actually need housing, because we're never gonna get cheaper housing unless there's more housing, regardless of like, and if you want to make it government subsidized, whatever, if you want to just be market rate doesn't, whatever, yes to all of it, we need more. And they've had some victories, like they've passed some California laws, even of course, human beings are not always like explicit georgeous. But they're clearly like natural allies. And so we're, we always try to help them with what they're trying to do and, and kind of share things with them. One of their big moves is against is repealing zoning laws, which I'm not sure if you've done a video on zoning yet, but there's a really great book by another previous podcast guests we had on em Nolan gray just came out. It's called arbitrary lines. And it's this whole history of American zoning, where it came from and like how its explicit zoning was explicitly a segregationist tool both in the racial and in the economic sense. And he just goes through all the legacy of it. And it's been really it's been really eye opening and fascinating to me. So just if you need some grist for the grist mill, yeah,
Matt Beat 57:36
I've read a strong towns, and I'm familiar with that movement. And what turned me on to that was YouTube channels, like, not just bikes and climate town, and yeah, I should shout out to all of them, like, they've got me more aware of zoning. That's really, and it's funny, because like, a lot of people don't bring it up. They still don't like, as far as the housing crisis, like John Oliver just did a big thing. I didn't hear him mention zoning once, when he was talking about rising rent prices. Like, right, if there was, there's a disconnect. So yeah, we just need to keep shouting it. Yeah, I
Lars Doucet 58:12
mean, I saw I saw all of his videos, it was really interesting. Because like, he's, I mean, he's had a lot of things like tenants need more protection. And like, we need to like pass laws, like keep runners from being exploited. And I'm for all of those things. But there wasn't like it was just kind of like treating symptoms. It wasn't getting at this root cause of where where does the power come from? Like, if landlords have to compete for tenants, they're not gonna be able to abuse them as easily. And you're not going to have to like pass laws and kind of begged them not to mistreat people. But so like the MB movement is something that that gives me a lot of hope, because they've had some success. You saw the Reddit F cars subreddit come out of nowhere, and they're all really into urbanism. What's interesting about zoning is, it seems like this like really kind of boring topic, most people's only, like contact with it from my generation is from SimCity, which from the lens of a game designer I now see is like this insidious, like pro old schools zoning propaganda, you know, you literally can do any city action, that's not zoning. Right. That's like the only game in the game is like do zoning and balanced budgets. But to ask you a question here is, you mentioned that there's all these young people who got you introduced in Georgia's and that's kind of interesting, because it's this 19th century movement old guy with a beard seems like only history professors would know about it. Tell us about all the ideas young people are sharing with you. I mean, about Georgia ism urbanism, or anything, you know, and whether that gives you hope or not, or what,
Matt Beat 59:43
oh, it gives me so much hope. Like, that's a big reason why I got into teaching period is because younger people, they're still idealistic enough and they have great ideas and a lot of them are smarter than the other people. Let's let's admit it like and So I'm just so inspired. And there's so many examples of I mean, a lot of my video ideas these days come are, they start out as a comment underneath one of my videos. And that's why I have a list of 1000 videos to make. If that's okay, though I, yeah, so I would say like, a lot of my audience is actually fairly young, a lot of them pretend to be older, you know, like the be 13 to have an account. But they, yeah, and so, like, I've had some super fans. When I say super fans, I mean, they found my personal information and reached out to me, and it was a little creepy. Their parents found out don't worry, but like, they're brilliant, though. And I'm just like, wow, if I was where you're at now, and when I like, I was an idiot when I was a kid. So I think we should kind of end maybe on this optimistic tone, because younger folks, generally are pretty, pretty smart.
Lars Doucet 1:01:02
One, plus one, and we'll let you go here is, I wonder if one of the things that's different for young people today is it's so much easier to find all the information, you know, like I've seen, like, like, my, my nephew will, like, be like, all into a bunch of 80s music. And I was like, I didn't even know like, what music my parents had, because like, I couldn't play like their records and my CD player. And now you have access to like, the entire world, you know? And so like, do you find young people getting interested in old ideas? Because it's just easier to hear about them now. And and you know, I mean, you're particularly in the history field.
Matt Beat 1:01:40
Yeah. And I think the difference though, is are they're actively seeking it out. They're curious, they, and they want to find stuff that no one else has found. Because like, it's currency, it's social currency that like, I know, something no one else does. And so yeah, that's, that's where it starts. But I think and then sadly, people my age like, I'm 40, I, a lot of people my age have stopped being curious. And when they go to the internet, they're going to their safe spaces, their stuff they already like, and so that but you can't Yeah, like so it's almost like, you notice that all the new great memes, they come from like some 15 year old, they don't come from like, and they and by the time Nike catches on to it. It's five years later. So we need to listen to them. And yeah, they have access to everything. And they know how to find it. It's all it's all. Yeah, that's another difference. Right? When I was 15, I, I had dial up internet. I didn't even have it at my house, I had to go to my friend's house to load up a page that took like 10 minutes just to load it up. So that's the difference. It's all there. They've added change access to information, and they're also willing to go searching.
Lars Doucet 1:02:51
That's great. Yeah, that's great. And talk about it. Yeah. Well, thank you so much for all for all you've done for all your videos for all your outreach.
Will Jarvis 1:02:58
Thank you. Yeah, absolutely. Mr. Bae, we really appreciate you. You coming on the show. Where can we send people where can people find you?
Matt Beat 1:03:05
Yeah, if you just search Mr. Beats on line, you'll Google will say, Did you mean Mr. Beast? And you say no, no, I met Mr. Beat ve t. So that's where you'll see. Probably my youtube channel will pop up first, but I'm I'm also on other platforms. So that's great. Thanks, man.
Will Jarvis 1:03:25
We really appreciate it. Thanks
Matt Beat 1:03:26
for having me.
Lars Doucet 1:03:26
Yeah, thanks so much for coming
Matt Beat 1:03:27
on. Great conversation.
Will Jarvis 1:03:33
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